Pop Punk Is Not Dead

Light that smoke, yeah, one for giving up on me / And one just cause they’ll kill you sooner than my expectations / to my favorite liar / to my favorite scar.

The first bit of songwriting that rings out over Fall Out Boy’s 2003 album, Take This To Your Grave, is more ominous that most people realize.

I was working as the treasurer of Marist College Radio (WMAR) in 2005 when we learned that, prior to their show at The Chance in Poughkeepsie, Fall Out Boy wanted to come and do a signing at our school. The station manager at the time, a gruff hardcore kid, accepted the request with little-to-no fanfare. A week later, I was setting up a table in one of our lecture rooms and shaking hands with Pete Wentz. Back then, before their sophomore album, From Under the Cork Tree, landed them on top-40 radio and touring arenas, I remember how timid they seemed, how gracious they were to be greeting the 40-or-so kids who came out for the signing. They all autographed a poster for the station, nervously fielded some questions, and shuffled out. No managers, no assistants, just four guys who looked like me, but shorter.

We know how the story goes next. “Sugar, We’re Going Down” becomes a major hit, Cork Tree sells and sells, and in our minds, makes Fall Out Boy rich and famous. Two years later, shouldering expectations from both diehard fans of the early, fast, powerful first album, Take This To Your Grave and new, eager fans of the more melodic Cork Tree, FOB released their third full-length, Infinity on High. The album started with something funny: a Jay-Z intro. How mainstream were these guys? Pretty darn mainstream. Yet, with roots in hardcore and pop-punk of yore, how could fans reconcile the R&B grooves of new songs like “The (After) Life of the Party” and “Thnks Fr Th Mmrs” ..? The band, as all famous bands go, began to grow polarizing.

Then it happened: The fourth album that was rocked by critics and fans alike. Folie a Deux contained elements of soul, power-pop and pop-punk. Yet, with such a fervent online following, and fans who treated their early work as gospel, the heat came harshly and often. Countless blog posts wondered “What Happened to Fall Out Boy?”

At Madison Square Garden, before Blink-182 took the stage, Fall Out Boy backhandedly announced a “breakupiatus” This is a mix between a breakup and a hiatus…usually reserved for bands so uncertain of their future, they prefer to keep every option open. Pete Wentz shaved his emo swoop off and announced that the scene was dead. The same four guys who looked at their shoes while a bunch of college sophomores asked for autographs had grown so stratospherically gigantic that the only solution to appease everyone was to stop all together.

We etched a headstone: “Here lies Fall Out Boy, the band who gave us Take This To Your Grave, From Under the Cork Tree, and some other stuff.”

Years later, Fall Out Boy frontman Patrick Stump would resurface. Something happened. He was thin. People gain weight, lose weight; it happens all the time. When “famous, rich” people do it, it becomes newsworthy. The blogosphere lit up with skinny Patrick images. The microscope lens just needed a little wiping, but it was now clear as day. So we had the voice of Fall Out Boy back, with a new look (no more hats and t-shirts, now an adult haircut and tailored suits). We didn’t have any new music yet. So we waited. The single from Stump came in the form of “This City” — a power-pop dance-off featuring rapper Lupe Fiasco. The beat was large, Patrick’s voice was hitting gigantic falsettos, and the lyrics were …well…not about much of anything (as top-40 lyrics often go). The single was followed by more of the same. Soul Punk, the first solo record post-Fall Out Boy, would be released to horrific results.

Critically, the album wasn’t reviewed terribly (mostly 3-to-4 out of 5 star reviews). Stump’s R&B influences were on full display, as were his dance-pop sensibilities. Flashes of what people seemed to hate about Fall Out Boy were collected into an entire album, then released. When FOB fans got hold of it, the resentment boiled over. Fans purchased tickets to Stump’s solo shows just to stand front and center to tell him off. At meet and greets, fans told Stump that he was “better off fat” and should just “off himself” …anger turned to hate and hate was projected onto the wrong man.

The problem with pop-punk is ownership. Who owns the songs? The artists who record them? (Take This To Your Grave was written by Fall Out Boy when they were merely 18 years old) The fans who find so much meaning in the lyrics? Pop-punk fans are amongst the most dedicated, the most connected to the internet and blogosphere, the most ardent and difficult to please. When an artist changes, the backlash can be devastating.

We believe these artists to have dream lives, infinite money, the ability to create at will …so when they misstep, or do something different, we nail them up on a cross made of old ALTPRESS covers and ticket stubs. Patrick Stump and Fall Out Boy wrote songs that were beloved by so many kids, and like those kids, the band grew up. We long for Take This To Your Grave 2: Back in the Dirt …fact is, it’s not coming and it will never happen. Perhaps the joy we need to find is that it should never happen.

A record is like a moment, it exists in context and has meaning, then will be remembered in nostalgic fashion, but never re-lived. Have you ever tried to replicate a moment? You can’t. It hurts to try. How does this story end? Not well. On 2/28/12, on Patrick Stump’s blog, he wrote an entry called “We Liked You Better Fat: Confession of a Pariah” detailing the trials of making Soul Punk, his financial status, and going into detail about the death threats and how it affected him to the point that he stopped touring behind the record. He has disappeared.

“The reality is that for a certain number of people, all I’ve ever done, all I ever will do, and all I’ve ever had the capacity to do worth a damn was a record I began recording when I was 18 years old.” – Patrick Stump, “We Liked You Better Fat.” TC Mark

image – Fall Out Boy / Amazon.com


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  • Lisa

    this is so awesome. i remember sitting with my walkman fuming with my angsty thoughts as pete screamed his suicide note. they will always hold a special place in my heart, no matter what they do. i still love patrick’s voice, and still listen to so much of this music despite the fact i may be a little too old to it. but i embrace it and it will always be a part of me. i love this.

  • Adam

    those were the days, my friend. fall out boy, taking back sunday, my chemical romance – honest music that probably saved my life.

    • N Looman

      ditto. here’s to day’s not soon forgotten :)

    • iwriteandstuff

      The Best! :)

    • Sara

      I totally agree (minus Taking Back Sunday – for some reason, I can’t bear to listen to him without wanting to jump out a window just to escape it).

      I remember being a senior in high school and going to shows at least once a week, staying after to get autographs even though we had to be up in the morning…

      I also remember those days when FOB was incredibly humble…and the days when they weren’t.

      Random aside about the article: When I clicked on it, I was fully expecting something about Yellowcard and NFG’s rallying cry for this year’s Warped Tour so I was shocked to be greeted with some of my favorite FOB lyrics.

  • laura

    I love your perspective on this. Super well written and interesting to read.

  • http://www.irish-dating-sites.com/ Davi

    Though I don’t think of pop-punk as of music at all FOB are not thet bad, even funny sometimes.

  • Liz

    Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

    I went to Marist!! Graduated in 2006. I almost fell of my chair when I saw that you had gone there to. Small world!

    • http://humanprojector.wordpress.com Nick

      red foxes wut wut

  • Sam

    being an avid fall out boy fan, i appreciate this article 110%. i felt awful when patrick wrote that blog post. plus i loved folie a deux so much i bought it on vinyl. great article!

  • Laura

    You leave out an enormous facet of the “story.” Soul Punk is an excellent and musically advanced album. Perhaps, you haven’t listened to it. What about the Truant Wave EP? I do not think you have listened to that either. It sounds like you haphazardly listening to “This City” and follow a few tweets. Also, Stump has recently released another statement saying that he is NOT giving up on music or performing. He’s a diverse artist who expresses his passion in other ways besides just performing and writing an album here and there. He’s co-writing and producing music for other musicians, as well, and has been for numerous years.

    I feel like this article lacks direction and purpose. It’s more of a masturbatory review on something. I’m not sure what.

    A gruff hardcore kid? Please…

  • Shauna

    I was really enjoying this article, but the abrupt ending threw me off. Regardless, great topic and great writing.

  • http://twitter.com/Amphx AnnamariaPhilippeaux (@Amphx)

    I’m really glad I read this. I read the Patrick’s blog post and checked out his solo work, which I hadn’t yet done, despite (still!) being an FOB fan. I’m really into Soul Punk. When you really think about the story of Patrick and the band itself it’s really quite sad. It makes me wonder why anyone would ever want to be famous when the individuals largely responsible for your successes and failures can be so fickle, and often downright evil.

  • Aelya

    Oh God, bless you for writing this.

  • Brittany

    Okay, so I’m one of those Fall Out Boy fans that stopped listening at Infinity on High, and stopped seriously listening at From Under the Cork Tree. I’ll admit that Take This To Your Grave is far and away my favorite. But I can agree completely with what you said about how “Take This To Your Grave 2” should never happen.

    As fans of an artist, I feel like we should appreciate that we don’t want EVERY single thing they release to all be the same. I’m not the hugest fan of any of their later work when I compare it to their earlier songs, but I also can respect that they’re growing up. It’s been what, ten years since that album?

    I feel like this article can stand for a lot of the music I listened to in high school, which is to say it’s good. Definitely gonna send it to some of my friends that study contemporary music, haha.

  • Defend Soupy

    I thought this would be genuinely be about pop punk but then I saw the words ‘Fall Out Boy’ and knew that you would get everything wrong. The article was good nevertheless, you just got the genre wrong. Thank god you mentioned Blink 182 but have you heard of Man Overboard or The Story So Far or The Wonder Years? Pop punk isn’t dead – but not because of Fall Out Boy.

  • L

    Fall Out Boy. I love you,
    Thank you for writing this.

  • seeareuh

    Aw I was at the FOB/Blink Madison Square Garden concert. It was a good show. I definitely do not think that FOB is pop punk (if anything, this should have focused on New Found Glory, whose tag line of sorts is “pop punk is not dead.”

    I just went to Warped Tour (SD) yesterday & got to see TBS, who will always be THE punk band to me. My music roots are in punk & all the bands that I got into at age twelve will hold a special place in my heart forever for what they gave me during my middle school years. Listening to them on burned cds from my cousin on my Walkman, locking myself in my room for hours at a time to do literally nothing but exist in my own world with my headphones on, the cd on repeat, was a huge help to growing up. I stopped listening to Fall Out Boy after From Under the Cork Tree, but they (and TBS, Blink, Green Day, The Used, Underoath, From First to Last, Amber Pacific, Anti-Flag, Against Me!, MxPx, Rise Against [but I’m still obsessed with them!!]) will ALWAYS be my youth.

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