24. We genuinely want a better nation, and world, same as you.
“That we get it. We’re a self-obsessed culture, and one that’s getting progressively more liberal and tolerant. No one denies this. But the fact that you demonize us for it drives us nuts. Not every single millennial is an ‘everyone gets a trophy’ child, nor is every person currently under the age of 30 a reactionary idiot who wants to destroy your established family values. We genuinely want a better nation, and world, same as you.
Oh, and on the note of the evils of each generation: Ours may have invented selfie culture, but yours wouldn’t let black people use the same water fountain as you, so I think I’ll sleep easy with my fellow millennials.”
25. How about you guys retire already so most of us can move up the ladder and make a reasonable salary?
“That most baby boomers created the current economic environment then lash out against millennials for not ‘contributing.’ How about you guys retire already so most of us can move up the ladder and make a reasonable salary? Oh yeah, I forgot you guys didn’t save any money for retirement so you have to work until you’re 80. No worries, we are going to flip the Social Security bills for you all, something that we never see when we retire…if we ever retire.”
26. Nobody ‘works their way through college’ anymore unless they want to take 15 years to get an undergrad degree.
“Just how fucking tough things have gotten for average young people. You don’t get to just walk into a manager’s office and ask for a job; you have to go online and grind through a personality profile and a dozen other processes designed to screen you out before a human being even looks at your application. On-the-job training is dead and buried; companies expect plug-and-play applicants with years of experience and all training paid for out of pocket. Income growth only happens by switching jobs, because nobody can count on regular promotions and raises anymore.
College is ridiculously expensive and time-consuming. Nobody ‘works their way through college’ anymore unless they want to take 15 years to get an undergrad degree. And when you’re finally done and loaded down with debt, if you don’t find a job immediately, everyone ridicules and criticizes you for choosing the ‘wrong’ major.
And dating? Oh my fucking god. Dating is a nightmare.”
27. All the policies and infrastructure that made it possible for you to buy a home, get a degree, and retire are all long gone.
“All the policies and infrastructure that made it possible for you to buy a home, get a degree, and retire are all long gone. Pensions have ended, most unions have little political power anymore, and most jobs that people have in 2017 aren’t unionized, in part because so many have been raised to believe that unions are bad. Forgetting that unions are the reason you were able to make a middle-class wage doing labor.
Most people these days work behind a food/retail counter. They make minimum wage or slightly higher, have to deal with their unpredictable hours getting cut, work their asses off, and many do not have a union that could lobby for a livable wage. Many of these people have college or advanced degrees. This is the 2017 equivalent of the manual labor job at the plant, but there’s no one to lobby for them. Does this sound like someone who can take time off and have a kid? Buy and maintain a house? Pay if 5-6 figures of debt? Is this the society we want to have? This is not sustainable!”
28. Much of your success and progress was due to massive government programs.
“How much of their success and progress was due to massive government programs and regulations specifically designed to produce that success and progress. Programs they voted to cut when they started wanting kids (us) and decided that everyone needs a detached house and a pool.”
29. The world does not work the same as it did when you were growing up.
“That the world does not work the same as it did when you were growing up. I am sure the same thing will happen to us when our time comes but please stop giving me advice that could not possibly help me by today’s standards.
Right out of high school I was expected to find a job. I tried. I applied everywhere and was informed I was not actually trying because when you were my age you had 2 jobs. Well I graduated when there were not a lot of jobs at all.
I am still told by the last 2 generations that if I want to get anywhere I NEED to go to school. No I don’t Big companies have been hiring less and less grads. On top of that, the reason it took so long to get a job is cause all the bs menial jobs were taken by people with 2 and 4 year degrees because they couldn’t find a job in their field. Now they flip burgers for min wage and a bunch of debt.
That a lot of us are whiny and entitled because we grew up with you telling us that if we got good grades, we’d go to a good school, and then make a lot of money. But now a lot of us did the first 2 but that second part never happened. (luckily I skip out on this part cause I did not get good grades or could afford to go to a good college)
Overall just understand that the world changed. It is not the same.”
30. Let me have the dreams that you had at my age, too.
“Remember those dreams you had when you were my age? Let me have those dreams too, please.”
31. Between the student loans, health insurance, food, clothing, basic necessities I barely have any money left to put away.
“That I just want to live my life without worry.
At 26 I am living at home, working 2 jobs, and trying to save up to move out, but I just can’t do it. Between the student loans, health insurance, food, clothing, basic necessities I barely have any money left to put away. I come home from job 1 and just crash for a couple hours and get up to go to job two and get called lazy for doing so. I have my god damn master’s degree and I feel like a kid who decided to skip college and just coast through life is living a better life than me.
And they wonder why my generation has depression issues.”
32. Companies don’t offer pensions anymore.
Companies don’t show the same loyalty that many of the previous generations saw.
-As a millennial coming into the workforce in the mid 2000s I saw coworkers laid off left and right every couple of months until the early 20-teens.
-Companies don’t offer pensions anymore which were a huge motivator for staying with a company.
-Companies don’t invest as much in their employees to continue developing them
-Benefits seem to be cut year after year to maximize profitability of the company. The focus seems to shift more and more towards shareholder value instead of creating and investing in the products and development for the future
Stop telling millennials that they need to take their own career into their hands and then complaining that millennials are a pain to maintain when they do that and leave your company for a new experience at another. Yes, the millennial should not expect things to be handed to them but it should be a cooperative effort. An employee-company relationship is just that, a relationship. You don’t tell your SO to look out for themselves and figure their own shit out.
Millennials have really similar goals to all other generations!! We all want to make things better and improve ourselves, the people around us, and the world as a whole. Quit calling millennials spoiled brats. A lot of millennials are hard workers. Yes, we grew up in a different environment surrounded by more technology but at the core of all of us, humans still have the same dopamine effects as those before us even many generations ago. We all have a deep-rooted tendency towards performing positive acts. (In general as a whole, yes I get there are still crazy and bad people out there. They are the minority.)”
33. At age 23, my parents had a house and two cars. I don’t know anyone that age who owns property now.
“My parents had me at 23. They weren’t rich, but they had a house and two cars. I don’t think a couple this age could buy the house they lived in today. I don’t know anyone that age who owns property.”
34. If you think one job is good enough for a living, you must have lived under a rock.
“That the average income of Americans has increased by 15 percent but the cost of housing has quadrupled, the cost of post-secondary education has quadrupled, cost of healthcare has quadrupled, the CPI of common goods has doubled. Life is expensive. If you think one job is good enough for a living, you must have lived under a rock. Increasing minimum wage was never about helping Timmy get higher wages to buy his new Xbox 420. It was about helping Kate, a single mother of 2 plus kids find manageable living. But it’s also about stabilizing the economy and eliminating inflation. That doesn’t mean increase min wage to 15/hr in one day. It means minimum wage needs to increase each year by a small amount until the economy is fixed.”
35. Companies today treat you like cattle.
“How so many companies today treat you like cattle. I was having a problem with scheduling at one job and my dad suggested I speak to my supervisor. Which would be nice if I’d ever even met the guy. I didn’t even talk to a real person to call in sick.
Or how you can apply for hundreds of jobs before you get a call back.
Why you can’t just take a two-hour lunch if you want to.”
36. We’re not lazy, entitled, OR spoiled.
“This is easy:
1) We’re not lazy; you just want to make it look like we are b/c you’re arrogant and you want to feel like you’re better than us all.
2) We’re not entitled either. You just WANT us to be entitled, b/c that way you don’t have to admit that you actually are very selfish and greedy and essentially created country where people can’t really get fair paying jobs anymore b/c the guys at the top are greedy money grubbers who have no common decency or soul and will take as much money as they can get b/c they know that there’s always going to be someone else even more desperate and willing to work for less.
3) We’re not spoiled, you just think we are b/c you like feel like you’re the ‘tough good ole’ boys’ who had it so difficult and who toughed it out and made it all the way thru b/c of how tough you are. And even IF we’re spoiled (which we’re not) it would actually be YOUR fault. You’re the ones who raised US.”
37. Crippling depression =/= ‘laziness.’.
“Crippling depression =/= ‘laziness.’”
38. We’re at the mercy of the open market right now; for better or worse, it can be absolutely ruthless.
“The frustrating ‘You’re making what I was when I was your age, and I did just fine!’ sort of statement needs to be rebutted. I take the time to present and lay out why almost every time someone brings it up because it’s a very important lesson to understanding the current times. My argument is summed in one word: ‘Inflation.’
Now, inflation isn’t the devil itself, it’s a useful tool, and the fact that it continues to adjust prices over time is intentional BUT most common folk do not really know how it works. To a lot of people ‘inflation’ is just a word and a term thrown about by people on the news or market watch, nothing more. This is where the disconnect starts a lot of the time. Older generations still think of the dollar they had when they were younger, and treat it as if it is still the dollar today. It is not. The wages most older generations recognize as similar to what they were making back in the day, really need to have inflation applied to them. If a person started out making X dollars an hour and think by browsing over a present-day paycheck that millennials are now making that, by all means—they should please go and apply inflation to their original wages and compare for those of us in the present day: we’ll wait.
Here is a basic dollar value inflation calculator: That X$ per hour starting wage your grandfather made in the 60s-70s is not = to the starting wages today. Believing wages have held up with inflation is utter foolishness.
Also, while everything is much more accessible, knowledge, information, training—it’s also much more competitive. Getting hired for a job nowadays often means fighting with hundreds, if not thousands of other applicants depending on the field. There are WAY more people, not just in the USA, but also in the world! Sometimes you have to compete with people from overseas willing to work for half the pay because a normal US salary would make them the equivalent of a six-figure in their country. To them, taking a 40K salary for a 60K average job is a fair deal! That’s freaking hard to fight when you need to pay off rent/student loans/vehicle and transport costs/medical insurance. Tough gig.
So really, at the end of the day I try my best to explain that the playing field is just very different, and those who can’t adjust to the new normal we’re shifting towards are going to get run over and crushed. Successful millennials have to be extremely capable to acclimate to their environment. We’re at the mercy of the open market right now; for better or worse, it can be absolutely ruthless.
To shamelessly quote Tron: ‘The game has changed.’
My recommendation to other millennials is that you get lean, practice frugality, and capitalize on any advantage you can carve out for yourself as diligently as possible. Research retirement accounts, tax-advantaged accounts, and basic investing with regards to index funds and real-estate. Understand the value of your dollar. These are the tools available for people of lower salaries. It is most certainly going to be difficult, but it’s not yet impossible.”
39. Crime and drug-use amongst minors are actually going DOWN.
• Crime and drug-use amongst minors are actually going DOWN. You’re just hearing it on the news because, again, the news will report on that because it’s a story.
• Inflation is a thing. Just because you remember paying a small amount for something in the 60s-70s does not mean you actually paid that much—adjusted for inflation, that $1 a week allowance you had in 1970 was equal to around $6 today. Your older brother’s $1.60 minimum wage in 1968? Equal to $11.20. And you think people are entitled for wanting $10?! Your minimum wage in 1978 when you first went to college? Equal to $9.90. (Almost $10!) Didn’t you remember reading Laura Ingalls Wilder stuff and chuckling at how $0.50 was a lot of money to the people in the 19th century America?
• College degrees, especially ones in STEM fields, are no longer the golden ticket to employment and job security they once were. Your parents/grandparents didn’t even have a college degree and could get through life alright. Guess what? Where there was once maybe 5-6 other applicants competing for the same spot, now there are as many as 20-40. That’s what your parents/grandparents experienced—that’s why you were pushed into college!
• Even if Trump does follow through on his promises to ‘bring manufacturing jobs back to the states,’ guess what—they will still be competing with people in China and South America who can be hired for $1.73 US dollars a day or less. Will you work for $1.73 USD or less a day? No. Nobody would because guess what—a wage like that does not put food on the table or pay mortgages. That’s not all, either. Who are you also competing with? A machine who doesn’t need to eat, sleep, feed a family, or have days off. Before you blame those ‘dirty rotten no good job-stealing immigrants’ for your job loss, perhaps you should instead look at the person who noted that they can pay fifteen people for half your salary or the machine that can produce the same amount as 15 workers was a better amount than the 15 workers who’ll request paid sick days, maternity leave, and eventually retire.
• No, you do not get moved to the floor because you started off in the mailroom. If you are hired as a janitor or as a mailroom clerk, you’re going to stay in the mailroom or in the janitorial apartment. In fact, if you’re hired for the mailroom, chances are it’s not for the company, but for a different company that does the mail.
• Unpaid internships do not put food on the table, a roof over your head, gas in your car, clothes on your back, and most importantly, do not pay those student loans.
• No, iPhones are not as expensive as health insurance. An iPhone will be like $900, tops, newest model and brand new. A trip to the ER because some idiot ran a light and T-boned you will cost well over ten times that. Stop assuming that just because someone has a gadget that they are wealthy—the price of things like cell phones has actually gone way way down over the years because, guess what, there are a lot more of them out.
• Just because you saw some ‘ghetto punk’ with a Samsung Galaxy doesn’t mean he’s secretly wealthy and is just collecting welfare. For all you know, that’s a Samsung Galaxy S3 that he purchased second-hand. That ‘brand new phone’ you just purchased is actually a two-year-old model. Just because you remember when cell phones were expensive as hell does not mean they have remained that way.
• Tuition is not the same as it was in the 70s and 80s. Regardless of inflation.
• People are not ‘dumber’—in fact, if you scored ‘average’ on the I.Q. test in the 70s, you might be considered ‘below average’ or even ‘retarded’ today. The I.Q. test is designed so that 100 is always average. Need I remind you that what passed for entertainment in the early 20th century were Three Stooges banging each other on the head or Bugs Bunny blowing up Elmer Fudd?
• You really do need a car these days if you live in NA. Oh, sure, you lived in Detroit where you could walk down the street for a job—but guess what, we don’t live in New York, we live in Colorado, where you moved because the housing and land were cheap. Guess what. IN case you haven’t noticed, the nearest grocery store was a 10 minute drive away—which means a 20-40 minute bike ride away.
• If you truly walked uphill both ways to school in blizzards and you liked it, then why did your generations change it?
• Participation trophies came from your generations.”
40. Home ownership is simply a pipe dream for the vast majority of my generation.
“I’m 31, was born in 1986 so technically that makes me a millennial. One of the most frustrating things for me personally was trying to convey to my parents (both of whom came of age in the 1970s) that the job market they knew was no longer a reality, that the entire paradigm had shifted as I was growing up. My dad, in particular, had a very hard time comprehending this until years later. In his day, it was very easy to walk down the street and find a storefront with a ‘Help Wanted’ sign. A conversation and a handshake later, and you had a job. Those days are LOOOOONG gone. Now, you have to apply online, have a full resume (properly typed and set) for even the most basic clerk job, and in some cases they will actively refuse to talk to you unless you’ve filled out an online application beforehand.
There’s also the cost of living standards, which have skyrocketed over the last twenty years. Home ownership is simply a pipe dream for the vast (and I do mean VAST) majority of my generation. The housing bubble basically destroyed any dreams of home ownership, robbing almost an entire generation a permanent residence in their name.”
41. We are in no position to ‘demand’ things from our employers like you could.
“Don’t know if someone already said this, but ‘demanding’ things at work. Prime example is my parents: I went for a job interview in December, a job where the salary is set at $47,000 at the federal level. Everyone working that job in the whole country makes the same salary…the interview went well, and I got the offer and was really excited.
Then my dad says, ‘Before you accept the offer, demand that they give you $60,000 or you’ll walk.’ I told him that was ridiculous and I’d lose the position. His response was, ‘There’s plenty of jobs out there and they’re easy to get. You can demand anything and if they want you, they’ll give it to you.’
Newsflash: It isn’t 1976 any more, if I walked in there and said, ‘Give me $60,000 or I walk’ they’ll tell me to walk. I have no power there.”
42. The cost of living has almost doubled while the minimum wage hasn’t.
“That the cost of living has almost doubled while the minimum wage hasn’t. That there are more and more people looking for work and there aren’t enough jobs to go around. In Australia when my parents were kids’ university was free, but it’s not for us.”
43. You OWE it to me to make my life easier than yours.
“That not only do we not have it easier than you, in many ways, we actually should be able to have an easier life than you because you had it easier than your parents and they had it easier than their parents. It seems we used to be proud of progress, and proud of the entitlement that came with it. Now we actively demonize it. No, no, no, you OWE it to me to make my life easier than yours, just as I owe it to the next generation to make their life easier than mine.”
44. College costs 4-10 times more than when you went!
“We aren’t fiscally irresponsible, we were taught that we cannot have a job without a college degree and college costs 4-10 times more than when you went!”
45. So do cars.
“Average cost of a new car: