Ask A Lesbian, Vol. 2

Aug. 15, 2012
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These questions have been submitted to me from friends over the past year — questions that they were afraid to ask any other person in the LGBTQ spectrum until I came along. My name is Alison, I am a queer woman living in Denver, and I want you to ask me the questions you’ve always been afraid to ask!

Disclaimer: This is an article written in a satirical manner, meant to entertain only. The opinions and views expressed are only that of the author — nobody else. The author is in no way an expert, nor is she speaking for the entire LGTBQ community. If you have serious questions, including but not limited to gender heteronormativity, sexuality in general, or ways to assist in the LGBTQ community, please research organizations that are meant to answer those questions. If you have a story or experience that is different, please share in the comments below! Thank you!

My daughter experimented with a girl in college, and later in life told me that “nobody in her generation has sex with just a guy or a girl.” Are we headed toward a society of everyone being bisexual?

Interesting choice of words from your daughter! There are a few facets that I believe play into this question. One of them is where you are and where your daughter is. I think that depending on your daughter’s environment and experiences, the crew she hangs with can make a difference on where she believes her sexuality lies. What I mean by that is that if she’s hanging out with people who truly believe that nobody has intercourse with just one sex, and that’s the attitude they put out there, then she may be able to feed into her sexual curiosity and be very okay with it. It’s rare to find a crew of people who have intensely different views on sexuality hanging out: say, a straight person who believes homosexuality is disgusting, a Gender Studies major who identifies as pansexual, and a man who believes polyamory is the only way to live — therefore, your daughter has surrounded herself with people who she most likely shares those views (along with others!) with, and that’s great.

As so many lovely commenters responded to you in the post, I agree: sexuality is a spectrum. For many, it’s attraction versus orientation. I think it truly depends on where you happen to be on the spectrum, because people can cross lines. And, for me, before I came out, I was just pretty sure that I had fallen for one woman and one woman only. I thought that I was a straight girl attracted to one woman. As time passed and I learned that the things I loved about being with my girlfriend were in fact things I loved about being with a woman in general, my own truth changed for me. I now comfortably identify as lesbian, and find that is what works best for me.

Recently, I was at a baseball game with some friends from home. Per usual, they met my girlfriend and asked her the same questions that all of my friends who have met her asked: “When did you come out?” “What attracted you to Alison?” “Did you ever like, try with men, though?” My favorite response to that last one was “Yeah. And it was whatever. And then I was with a woman, and it felt right.” So, for your daughter, maybe being with both is normal and feels right for her. Also, also, also: I don’t think the need to identify with an exact title from a spectrum is necessary. If your daughter feels like she’s open to love and be loved and doesn’t care what she identifies as, then good for her! She’s comfortable in what she’s got going. Cheers to her.

Now, for the latter part — are we headed toward a society of everyone being bisexual? In the words of a one miss Gaby Dunn: “I. Wish.” But in all reality…probably not. Since (I believe) we’re all born not making the decision of our sexuality, falling on that spectrum probably won’t change in the future. Then again, I’m not a scientist. I do hope that tolerance begins to change, though. You seem lovely and supportive of your daughter and her decisions, and so no matter where she ends up in life, if she has children, she’ll most likely teach them that same love and tolerance (and so on).

If lesbians aren’t attracted to men, why do so many lesbians make themselves look like men? And why would they date other women that look like men, as well?

You are not the first person to ask this, nor are you odd for thinking it. When you’re outside of this, it might seem weird — a woman wants to date a woman, yet that woman looks like a stereotypical man. What’s the point?

This smacks the nail of gender heteronormativity right on the head. Society tells us at the youngest of ages that pink is for girls, blue is for boys, and it only snowballs from there. From trucks and Barbies to baggier versus fitted jeans and everywhere in between, men become “men” and women become “women.” But what if you feel more comfortable as a man in a tighter-fitting shirt? And what if, as a woman, you wear your hair cropped short? You are immediately pigeonholed based on society’s decision that you are trying to be more masculine or feminine. I personally find comfort in dresses and skirts, yet I toy with the idea of cutting my hair short because I like change, and I think Audrey Hepburn did it right.

I asked my girlfriend this question, and she told me that she likes “girls that look like girls.” This is frustrating in the same line, but on the opposite side of the coin. As a woman who dates women, she is also falling into gender heteronormativity, stating she likes women who are society’s standard of “women.” Though I completely understand what she means, and she had said “I can’t think of a different way to describe it. I like the look of what society calls a ‘woman.’”

What does it all mean? I believe that as an individual, we have certain traits that make us who we are. We don’t have control over those, though it seems like we do. If I shaved my head and wore cargo pants, that wouldn’t make me feel like “me.” So who are we to say that a woman dressing in society’s standard of “masculine” is wrong?

It all comes down to a matter of taste. A bisexual friend of mine likes to date men who are taller than her and stronger physically, and women who are shorter than her and really feminine. She said she never blurs those lines, because that is her attraction and that is her taste. As for me, I am pretty into girls who don’t give a what. My girlfriend dresses in her favorite clothes every day. She may not fit society’s stereotype of “woman” to a tee, but she does have a huge rack, so there.

For the short answer: to each their own.

I’m a 19-year-old lesbian in my first serious relationship, going on one year. Any advice?

First: hurray! Congratulations on one year, that’s great. Second: I may not be the best person to ask! I’m only one year into being out and with my girlfriend. Therefore, I am a newbie. But, as a woman who has immersed herself as much as she can in this world as quickly as possible, I can try my best.

1 — Be prepared. I say this because for me, as a woman who was in a relationship for around two years at your age, people are going to question you and your love. What makes you so sure about the person you’re with? Why aren’t you off having fun and dating around? You’re so young, how can you be so sure about your sexuality? Practice answering these. I know that sounds weird, but it feels good to be sure of yourself, which I’m sure you are! I used to be asked those questions when I was your age and in a LTR. Hilariously, my red flag of “What’s your secret for staying together for so long when you’re so young” response of “Umm, I don’t know, we just haven’t had a reason to break up” should have shut things down, but it didn’t, and I stayed there for years. Basically, if you and your partner are aware of your relationship and you wake up every morning in love (even if you’re angry/annoyed/stupefied with something they did the day before), you’re in the right place. So find a way to express that and you’re set.

2 — Be aware. If you’re in this relationship for that crappy reason I stated above, or any others (Because why not? Because he/she/ze is loaded! Because they have great friends! – These are reasons I’ve heard, eek!), then be aware of what you’re doing to yourself. I think number one is communication, communication, communication! Honesty is the best policy – tell your lady what’s going on so she doesn’t feel like she’s figuring out a Rubik’s Cube when you two are together. And remember, relationships are 50/50. Always. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you feel like you’re giving too much or you’re not into it, then you need to reevaluate. In the queer relationships (well, and not queer, lezbehonest) I’ve seen around me, this is commonplace. People just draaaaaag it ouuuuuut, and I’ll never understand that. But! If you aren’t there, and you feel like the give and take is healthy and non-exhaustive, then good. That’s a good sign!

3 — Be happy! Seriously, if you feel like you are spending your time right now with someone that is your best friend who’s also sexually fulfilling (this does NOT have to mean sex, mind you!), then you are in a great place that many people aren’t. You’ll have to deal with all of the regular things that relationships come with: jealousy, time management, clear communication, and baggage…but if you can make it through an average day with that person AND a smile on your face? Look at them right now and give them a high five. A good one – the one where you stare at each other’s elbows as to ensure the hand connects in the best way possible. You two rock! TC Mark

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  • Lexi

    I am the person that asked the first question concerning my daughter’s comments. Thank you very much for your in-depth response. You are correct; I have no opinion one way or the other as to what she chooses to do with her sexuality. The question stemmed mostly from my insecurity that my daughter’s generation was a whole new world that I knew nothing about. Your explanations and the comments of others have assured me that I am not “out of the loop” not totally anyway! Thanks again to you and everyone else that shared there “generation” experiences with me.

  • Kath

    On Q2: A woman ‘dressing like a man’ or presenting herself in a way society sees as stereotypically ‘male’ is still in a WOMAN in the first place. Gender is such a complex topic it’s defined by way more than just preference on clothing or the likes.

  • http://gabydunnthoughtcatalog.wordpress.com Gaby Dunn

    I love this column! Next question: What can you say to a lesbian who won’t date you because you’re bi and they are insecure about it?

    Go!

    • gay chick.

      I won’t lie–I was a little bi-phobic before my current gf, who is bi. (This mostly manifested as hiding the bi girls on OKCupid.) Like, I didn’t have anything against bi girls, but I wasn’t gonna take the time to try dating any of them.

      And then I had a major crush on my now-gf. I knew she was bi, and it totally didn’t matter to me. Because the appeal of dating her is so much greater than the fear around her bi-ness.

      Now I’ve totally gotten over myself with the bi thing. I was insecure about it, but it’s not like she’s forced to date me, either. If she wanted to date or screw a dude, she’d do it.

      I guess this means you should say one of the following:

      (1) Are you seriously not gonna date me because I’m bi? In case you hadn’t noticed, at the moment I’m interested in you, [name]. If you’re gonna keep being dumb about this, I’m not going to be interested in you anymore.

      (2) Right, because lesbians are so sane, as an overall group.

      (3) Your loss.

      (4) Listen, I’ve come to terms with my sexuality. If you can’t, then that’s your problem.

      I never let my gf know that her bi-ness made me nervous, because she wouldn’t have dated me, because I was being an idiot. I think that’s a fair option for you as well.

      • Sierra

        I’d generally just think that if someone’s closed-minded enough to not want to date me because I’m bisexual, then I don’t want to date them anyway. Of course, I know that’s easy for me to say because I’ve never had the misfortune of falling for a lesbian with a “no dating bisexuals” policy (though I have met lesbians like that, as I’m sure most bisexuals have).

        On a more practical level, I’d just try to point out that I’m no more likely to leave them for a guy/leave them for a girl than they are to leave me for a girl/cheat on me with a girl – somehow, some gay and straight people seem to think that the idea of being left someone for someone else is exclusively (or mostly) a “dating bisexuals” problem. Like, “A bi girl left me for a guy once so now I don’t date bi girls”, when a lesbian who left them for another girl wouldn’t cause them to never date lesbians again.

        …Anyway, sorry if that was a bit of a derail. Maybe the next piece should be “Ask a bisexual”.

  • Billie

    Should I feel guilty that I ask for a monogomous relationship with my bisexual boyfriend?

    • gay chick.

      Bisexuality =/= nonmonogamy. The sexuality spectrum (gay-bi-straight) and the monogamy spectrum (poly-monogamish-monogamous) are separate, as is gender (male-whoknowswhatlabels-female).

      Don’t feel guilty unless he wants to be poly and you don’t.

      • Billie

        I think maybe you’ve misunderstood my question. I meant should I feel guilty for asking him to never kiss/sleep with a man, potentially ever again? Also, no one should feel guilty in the monogomy/poly debate. If he wanted to be poly and I didn’t, I shouldn’t have to feel guilty about that right?

      • gay chick.

        I say nope. You’re also asking him to never kiss/sleep with another woman, potentially ever again. That’s just what you give up in exchange for a monogamous relationship. Cost of doing business.

        And I don’t think anyone has to feel guilty in the poly/mono debate. You are what you are. If you’re mono and he’s poly, and he’s being mono for you, you might feel guilty about that. Because you’re making him compromise something that is important to him (assuming it is important to him). But you wouldn’t feel guilty if a gay girl liked you and you weren’t into her because you were straight, would you? You shouldn’t; you can’t help that you’re not into chicks.

      • Billie

        No he’s not poly at all (if he is, he’s never mentioned it) but as you say being poly would be important to someone who was, I figured being bisexual would be important to a bisexual person. Therefore I feel perhaps a little restrictive in saying “because we’re monogomous, you need to shut that part of you down. Maybe forever.”

      • gay chick.

        I don’t think you’re shutting that part of him down, though. He’s still allowed to look. He’s still allowed to jack off to whatever he wants. He just can’t act on it with another person.

      • Billie

        That’s the part I worry about. Because he’s not allowed to act on it, that’s why I feel like it’s shutting it down. I dunno, maybe it’s just me. Appreciate your honest opinion though. Thank you!

    • Guest

      I don’t think anyone, regardless of their or their partners sexual orientation, should feel guilty about asking for monogamy. I think monogamy can be wonderful and sometimes people just NEED it.

    • Elle

      I think you’re confusing “bisexual” to mean a lifestyle instead of a sexual preference. (I know I know, the dangers of labeling and generalizing sexuality. Hear me out.) Someone doesn’t identify as bisexual so they can have sex with whatever woman or man passes by them, forever and ever. They identify as such because they CAN be attracted to a man or a woman. Just as a gay or heterosexual person may act on that attraction in different ways (one night stand, “no strings attached” deal, long term relationship, etc.), so will your boyfriend. And the situation is: he was attracted to you and decided to turn that into a relationship on his own accord.

      If he wants to live a life sticking it in whenever he can with whoever he can get, that’s a lifestyle choice. But him being bisexual does not mean he’s going to feel stifled by being in a happy, committed relationship with someone he is attracted to and cares about!

      • Billie

        I don’t think I’m confusing it with a lifestyle. It’s hard to explain what I mean in a short comment, but essentially what I’m thinking is, what if he decides that he really wants sex with a man again? Sure, he could want sex with another woman, but that’s just meh. Im talking about the kind of sex he cant get from a woman. That’s something I can’t give him right? So, is it wrong of me to say “you can’t ever have sex with a man while we’re together? Should he have a free pass to sleep with men?

  • Sierra

    Asking your bisexual boyfriend to never sleep with another guy again is no different from asking that same bisexual boyfriend, or a straight boyfriend, a bisexual/lesbian girlfriend (if you were into girls) to never sleep with a girl besides you again. That’s what monogamy is; if they want to be monogamous, then they don’t want to sleep with anyone, regardless of gender, besides their current partner (in this case, you). If that’s not the case, then that’s an issue of polyamory vs. monogamy, not bisexuality vs. heterosexuality.

    • Billie

      I think what I was asking was, isn’t it restrictive of me to say that he should never sleep with a man again? I feel like that is asking him to deny and forget who he is. Like I’ve already said, maybe it’s just a personal thing but it feels like restrictive behaviour. Which, I find, is the worst thing someone can do to their partner.

      • Bi chick

        @Billie – If you are both in a committed monogamous relationship, which it sounds like you are, you should definitely NOT give your boyfriend a “free pass” to sleep with men. He picked you, a girl, as his significant other. If he wanted a boyfriend, he would have found himself a guy. So that’s all up to him.

        About restricting a part of his identity, well, clearly your boyfriend is honest about his bisexuality with you. It sounds like you’re accepting of it and want to date him anyways (despite your doubts). So in that sense, his dating you is not preventing him from being any less bisexual. He can still find both men and women attractive and share that with you (e.g celebrity crushes), the same way that you (I’m assuming that you’re straight) find men attractive and can share that with him. You’re not preventing him from being bisexual, because as others have said, we’re talking about sexual preference here – not a compulsive need to have sex.

        Again, as others have said, the vast majority of bisexual people do not feel the need to have sex with both men and women to feel happy and sexually satisfied. It’s just that we can find some guys attractive and some girls attractive :)

        Does that make sense?

      • Billie

        It does, and I appreciate your honest and insightful thoughts! You guys are a million times nicer and more civilized than your average Internet commenter. I guess what it boils down to, after 3 years, is probably my own insecurities manifesting as some kind of guilt that I’m trapping him. Maybe I’m trying to find some excuse for thoughts that I’d have wether he was bi or not. Your thoughts have given me a lot to consider though. Thanks :)

  • El Duderino

    I like Gaby’s question. An addendum to it (or maybe a clarification if this is what she means): Does it hurt the LGBTQ community *politically* to have people ID as bi? I know someone who thought that whether bi was fence-sitting or not (whether it was a real, legitimate orientation or not), it was PERCEIVED as fence-sitting, or experimentation — in other words CHOICE — by some in the non-LGBTQ community and therefore damaged the argument that sexuality is innate, not chosen, and should be protected by the law as other immutable characteristics have been. So is it wrong or damaging for people to self-ID as “bi?”

    • gay chick.

      [VAST GENERALIZATION, just putting some thoughts out there, not even sure how I feel about them] I think there’s interim bi and real bi. Like, I think there are a lot of gay people who at one point identified as bi (raises hand). But there are (obviously) people out there who are actually bisexual, attracted to both genders as well. And I think that distinction leads to gay people being insecure about it.

  • http://www.naels.org El Duderino

    Follow up to last question: Eckhart Tolle (Power of Now guy) says that people who ID as LGBTQ have a leg up on the straight community (speaking very generally about both groups of course), because their non-acceptance of this one widely accepted societal view (girls like boys and vice versa) leads them to question all other kinds of widely accepted beliefs (presumably like “matter is not space” and “I am not you”). BUT he goes on to say that LGBTQ folks LOSE this enlightenment advantage if they go too far towards identifying themselves with their orientation, since such identification merely relabels them, rebonds them to a specific worldview and thereby limits their outlook. What are your thoughts on each of Tolle’s ideas?

  • http://fusedephemera.wordpress.com dlw43

    Heteronormativity societal brainwashing notwithstanding, I think there is a biological underpinning for masculinity in lesbians. And it *absolutely* is a catch-22 situation for many lesbians.

  • nightshaye

    I’m sorry, but the answer to thi question isn’t making sense:
    “If lesbians aren’t attracted to men, why do so many lesbians make themselves look like men? And why would they date other women that look like men, as well?”

    To say “But what if you feel more comfortable as a man in a tighter-fitting shirt? And what if, as a woman, you wear your hair cropped short? You are immediately pigeonholed based on society’s decision that you are trying to be more masculine or feminine. I personally find comfort in dresses and skirts, yet I toy with the idea of cutting my hair short because I like change” meaning it all boils down to personal preference, sidesteps the issue.

    There must be a reason for a PATTERN in why many lesbians make themselves look like men, and why they would date other women that look like men as well.

    • El Duderino

      As a straight guy, here are a couple totally uninformed guesses.

      1) Maybe the butch lesbian stereotype is so prominent because we don’t recognize many (what are they called, lipstick lesbians?) non-butch lesbians as gay. Like the effeminate gay man stereotype persists despite the champion of ultimate fighting being gay.

      2) Maybe it’s that women are supposedly (science I hear, but I lack citations) more “substantive” than men in that appearances matter less to them than things like emotional comfort and financial security. So maybe long hair and high heels and caring about fashion and all that is just too much trouble for women that don’t NEED those things to be found attractive by those (women) they fancy. (And though some women enjoy shopping for clothes and looking beautiful, I would venture that such a hobby is actually a lot like guys being into customizing and building computers or cars, but that each gender is sort of aimed by society towards collecting/perfecting different things.)

      Just guesses. Would be interested in people’s thoughts.

  • nightshaye

    Hhmmm…Your first point makes a lot of sense from that angle of it.

    The second, true, but still seems to be when one gets to know women who more have a butch look, often more times than not they are lesbians.

    • El Duderino

      I don’t know if most “butch” women are lesbians, because I never ask! :) Actually, I did sort of make an implication once when a friend of a friend got a short haircut… and she was not gay. Oops.

      I think it would be hard for straight women to go the whole lookin-like-a-guy route (short hair, overalls, boots, no makeup, whatever), since a) most women assume guys don’t want that look, since that’s what media tells them and b) actually, I think most guys DON’T want that (perhaps because media tells them not to? who knows). So even though there are surely SOME guys who don’t mind that or actively like it, I would think it still takes some courage for straight girls to look like guys since they risk (or might reasonably perceive that they would risk) a) scorn from other straight girls (jealous? homophobic?) as well as inattention from most straight guys. I suppose there are probably some confident straight women out there who intentionally take the look-butch route precisely to attract ONLY guys who don’t care so much about exteriors — though of course they might end up attracting guys who do care only about exteriors and want butch exteriors :).

  • nightshaye

    Why is life so complicated???

  • http://fusedephemera.wordpress.com dlw43

    It’s hormones, or biology (or whatever). The majority of lesbians act/express their gender identity/whatever more male-ishly–strictly because of their hormonal sitch, which, in addition, makes them feel sexually attracted to women. Same thing (in reverse) with gay males. The minority of lesbians who are feminine, and gay men who are butch, are highly sexually appealing to most (but not all) gay people. Thus, the majority of gay peeps are kinda screwed. This is the sucky catch-22 of being gay!

    • El Duderino

      Ha! I’ve never heard it explained that way before. Funny/sucks.

  • http://nicsista.wordpress.com ZOEYNIKKI

    Reblogged this on NICSISTA and commented:
    Its definitely a new world sexual order

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